Upon the completion of that upgrading process you'll do several boards to earn your wings. 1.3. Wait, you can fly without going to OCS? The length and location of training depends on the specific rating. Getting shot at. That's true for all aircrew ratings. Navy enlisted sailors in the ratings of AD, AE, AME, AMH, AMS, AO, AT, and AW can volunteer for the Navy Enlisted Aircrew Program at any time during their careers (note: AW is an aircrew only rating, so you can't have that rating without being on aircrew status). FTS AWFs are typically load masters on C-130s, C-2s, and C-40s, but can end up a few other places. So all-in-all it takes like 3 years until you're truly a qualified aircrewman. Male sailors have different minimum standards for boot camp compared to females. My master chief retired after 30 years in the Navy ad never once set foot on a ship. But its strictly to be a "ground pounder". The panes I flew it were too big to go on ships, so they were all shore based. We no longer fly with an ordnance man, our AWVs are ordnance qualified. Enlisted aircrew do not fly the aircraft. I have like 23 credits and I've never even enrolled in college. Call MyNavy Career Center: 833-330-MNCC, or 901-874-MNCC (DSN 882-6622), Email MNCC, MNCC Chat Comments or Suggestions about this Website? The lives of a groundpounder sucks. The cycle works like this; at your home base for a year, then you go on a 6 month deployment. AWR/AWS is very similar. Pushing you physically is just the best way to test that mental toughness. After all, we fly the same airframe as a commercial air liner. We're given shitloads of responsibility and trusted to make calls that affect people's lives and the final success of the mission. NAVY PERSONNEL COMMAND: 5720 Integrity Drive, Millington TN 38055-0000 Address Correspondence to: Attn: PERS-### or BUPERS-### This is an official U.S. Navy Website Need Career, Pay or Personnel help? For the swim, as long as you finish without grabbing onto the wall for support, you pass. Most of this job does not apply worth a shit to the outside world. Ramesh Kumar has been serving in the navy as an instructor and trains a few select divers to become aircrew divers on helicopters. It's also the best goddamn job in the United States Navy. I've been to both (Washington is way way better IMO). The only aspect of the job that is enjoyable is the actual mine retrieval or detonation when one is found. As my FCPOA President, managed 52 PO1âs in the selection of my 2013 Junior Sailor Of the Year and Blue Jacket Of the Year. Just to earn the right to attempt aircrew school is a physical and mental challenge. Aircrewmen are the enlisted personnel on USN airplanes. I left for boot camp without knowing what rate I was going to be. AWF: AWFs are typically flight engineers, but the P-3 is gone except for the two reservist squadrons, so this rating is massively downsized. Here you're expected to do your job solely in a training environment with an instructor holding your hand. And you are supposed to go to AV "A" school? Electronic Warfare Operators (EWO) or Acoustic Operators (AAW). Currently Jacksonville and San Diego have the most HSM squadrons, and there are also squadrons in Hawaii and Japan. You COULD get IFT on EP-3s I guess but that's probably not possible at this point. A forum to discuss Navy Recruiters, processing at MEPS, Delayed Entry Program, Enlisted Ratings, "A" Schools, Officer Candidate School, Recruit Training Command, and transferring to your first command. C-130 FEs are traditionally reservists as well, but for now some already qualified FEs from P-3s are filling those roles so they can keep their job. You gotta be one of the best around to get hired to do that though. Dry crewmen are pretty much done with being tested physically after the graduation of NACCS (which we will cover later), but literally never stop learning. How many years did you enlist for? It's not as bad as you may have heard. Aircrewmen are the enlisted personnel on USN airplanes. That's pretty cool. I guess I'm just old. It's hot, hard, smelly, boring work in a helicopter that leaks oil and gas like it's raining. I'm stuck on deployment because of the rona and don't really have anything better to do, so here you go. Load masters are usually FTS (full time support, a reservist who works full time) or normal reservists who were prior active duty AWO/AWF/AWV. 1.2. They also do passenger transport and vertical replenishment. Those who complete rescue swimmer school and get rated as an AWS will typically end up at an HSC squadron after training and will fly in the MH-60S. Monday you'll have a 0500-1900 workday for a mission, Tuesday you'll bounce (touch and gos, like a pilot training flight) in the evening because you can't do a morning event because you landed late the day before. These planes were too big to go on a carrier so they are only shore based. I'd say if getting your degree is a priority, and you're not trying to get out after 6 years, AIRC is a good contract to sign. 20+ year Chiefs still go to schools to learn our jobs better. As sailors gradually move through A School and complete different phases, their restrictions are slowly lifted and liberties are increased. It's 6 months long. Free Shipping! In order to calculate your overall score: 1. HSC squadrons are typically the primary SAR asset wherever they are, unless a Coast Guard station is nearby. I may have been able to pass this school when I was 20 and in good shape, no fucking way could I do it now. That mean's no helo's. You need to be decently smart and in EXTREMELY good shape to be a swimmer. You need to be really smart and in decent to good shape to be a dry crewman. Every P-3C used to have one Aircrweman on board (station #9). Make sure you do what you can do avoid going to a ship. SERE was the best training I went through in the 5 years I was in the Navy. But that's rare enough that it does not make up for the boring mine hunting or the even worse cargo loading. If you're considering an AIRR contract, skip to the AWR, NACCS, RSS, A-School, and Fleet portions. FRS: (All 5) Next is the Fleet Replacement Squadron, where you finally learn how to operate your gear on your airplane and general aircrewmanship. Press J to jump to the feed. There's only 363 AWVs in the navy right now. But you're still a student, aka "upgrader" because you're trying to upgrade your qualification level. It was previously designated as aviation anti-submarine warfare operator. NAVY PERSONNEL COMMAND: 5720 Integrity Drive, Millington TN 38055-0000 Address Correspondence to: Attn: PERS-### or BUPERS-### This is an official U.S. Navy Website Need Career, Pay or Personnel help? Deployments are awesome. Worthy candidates and all volunteers must be in great physical shape and be a strong enough swimmer to pass a second-class swim test during boot camp. We do various jobs from operating mission-related equipment, loading and unloading cargo, in-flight maintenance, assisting pilots as a flight engineer on older aircraft, or jumping out of helicopters to save drowning people in â¦ Start training. Deployments are awesome. AWSs are colloquially called "Sierras" for the same reason AWRs are "Romeos". A free inside look at company reviews and salaries posted anonymously by employees. Developed 2 Aircrew Instructors of the Quarter, 1 JSOQ, and 1 P01 advancement. It's for that reason that AIRC and AIRR contracts are 6 year terms, not 4. Twice to Sicily and once to Puerto Rico. This is another rating that's going to be damned hard to impossible to get if you have not signed a contract yet. Working on your degree is by far easier in a VP squadron than on a boat. I was an AO but an Aircrewman as well. I didn't join the military to sit back and watch. THIS IS ONLY FOR AWS ON 53s: I've never met a 53 crewman who liked his job. 1.1. (and I'll let you pick this up from here since I don't know much about it). Two instances in a 10 year career isn't much compared to the guys on the ground, but still not enjoyable. We fly on one of P-3s, P-8s, C-40s, C-130s, E-6s, H-60s, or H-53s. appropriate aircrew Navy enlisted classification (NEC) code are authorized accelerated advancement to pay grade E-4 per reference (c). NACCS is only 4 weeks long but you'll spend extra time on hold there. Can't speak for helo types, but being aircrew is pretty much the best gig ever if you can swing it. IFTs are electricians that keep the avionics equipment working properly while in flight. Yes, you have to do a 1-mil swim in a flight suit. TIL that you can get dishonorably discharged from the Navy for boarding the wrong vessel just once. This isn't super uncommon for anyone in the navy of any rating, but I know tons of guys who go their whole career without seeing the open end of a weapon. Being a good EWO is very comparable to simultaneously playing an RTS game while also doing some math homework. It's all about having the balls to force your body to do more than it wants to do, and not so much about actual physical ability. Just want to throw in a reminder about your future outside of the Navy. Occasionally they participate in tactical missions, such as helping the MH-60Rs with surveillance missions, or deploying SEALs, EODs, Marines, etc, but these are primarily for training and readiness. It's a short class, like three weeks or something, but I honestly don't have a clue what the syllabus is like. This is NOTHING like being on an airliner. Pretty amazing. Hope this helps. Distressed Aircrew Sweatshirt $24.99. That doesn't mean the pilots might not give you some stick time here and there but no, you don't fly. I (Gator) worked briefly with some 53 crewmen on a recent deployment and I briefly had a student that was an AWS crossrate into AWO so I'm kinda just repeating what those bros said. We're split up into two different jobs. RSS: (AIRR contract) Rescue Swimmer School. You get intentionally drowned. Naval Aircrewmen Mechanical (AWF) are members of a fixed wing integrated tactical crew aboard C-2, C-9, C-12, C-20, C-37, C-40, C-130, E-6, and P-3 aircraft; perform primary in-flight and ground duties as aircraft Flight Engineer/Crew Chief, Loadmaster, Reel Operator, and Aircrew Readiness Manager; perform aircraft maintenance, weight and balance (W&B) calculations, and â¦ I think I wore my Navy working uniform less than a dozen times in 5 years. But then the "resistance phase" starts. Thanks to u/HM_Gravy and u/QnsConcrete for their assistance to a dumb tube slug on the helo stuff. There's tons of youtube material and a few documentaries available if you want to know more about this school. I absolutely LOVE flying. Try and do what it takes to get to a P-8 squadron or a P-3C squadron. SERE: (All 5 aircrew ratings) This is basically POW camp, but obviously not as bad because it's training and you're not a real POW. The Navy Enlisted Classification (NEC) system supplements the enlisted rating structure in identifying personnel on active or inactive duty and billets in manpower authorizations. I wrote most of this several years ago but when I recently referred someone to it, a lot of the info has changed; mostly as a result of the P3's recent full retirement from active duty squadrons. You'll spend 12-18 months upgrading from level 100 to level 300, which is a fully qualified operator. As a MH-60S crewman, you are primarily tasked with utility functions and some tactical missions, depending on the type of squadron. Half way through basic training I found out that after Naval Aircrewman Candidate School in â¦ You certainly will be in the line of fire in the MPRA community, but for us it's particularly unpleasant because we won't be returning fire. A third of our deployments consist of staying in a sand-filled shithole of an non-airconditioned tent with 49 other mother fuckers who don't feel the need to shower because "I'll just be gross within an hour anyways, why bother?". At least I didn't get my ass handed to me by a cook. Step 2:Add the points for each individual event. This is the first mentally challenging school. If another guy can only do 55 push-ups but I force him to do 75, and he keeps giving his all even after its impossible for him to do another, he makes it. The toughest part mentally is learning CPR. The main topics covered will be: 1. That should take you to either Jacksonville, FL or Whidbey Island, WA. NEC codes identify a non-rating wide skill, knowledge, aptitude, or qualification that must be documented to identify both people and billets for management purposes. Pre-Royal Navy Course (PRNC) This four-day induction to life in the Royal Navy is a pass or fail course. You must go AW. Thanks u/HM_Gravy for calling me out. Once youâve passed a Security Check, youâll be offered a place at HMS Raleigh. HSC squadrons deploy onboard CVNs, LHA/LHDs, supply ships, and other ships as required. This is not to preclude enlistment at pay grade â¦ NAVY PERSONNEL COMMAND: 5720 Integrity Drive, Millington TN 38055-0000 Address Correspondence to: Attn: PERS-### or BUPERS-### This is an official U.S. Navy Website Need Career, Pay or Personnel help? AWS A School: If you're a dry crewman or swimmer, doesn't matter. The MH-60S does not have the same electronics as the MH-60R, so there is more space in the back of the 60S and you will typically operate with one or two other crewman at a time. The rest of it is things ALL sailors deal with like super long working hours on deployment and stuff. I did 3 six month deployments. I got to constantly fly, go around the world, be on alert for special missions & more. If anyone has a question about flying in the Navy as an enlisted Aircrewman - let me know! VP (fixed wing patrol) squadrons deploy to the desert where there is decent internet sometimes, or to a hotel somewhere where there is certainly decent internet. So at the time, they gave guaranteed Aircrew contracts in exchange for 5 years. The program provides for training via various Class "A" Schools for a specific service rating within the Naval Aircrewman â¦ Navy A School does not have as many restrictions as boot camp, but does not have as many freedoms as a sailor will once they complete training. EWOs operate radar, long-range cameras, and ESM. Hi. I was guaranteed a flying job as long as I enlisted for 5 years and passed all the qualifications. The day to day hoo-yah bullshit of tons and tons of push-ups and nonstop running in aircrew school is there to test your mental fortitude, not your physical prowess. There are tons of really fantastic ratings available, all with their pros and cons. The first few days we learned to do things like navigate, first aid, how to build shelters, etc. The minimum expectations depend on your age. This is actually the hardest part of the training and by far the most common place for people to fail out. Dry aircrew only: You won't ever ever be on a boat. A comprehensive guide to Aircrew - AIRC and AIRR. Maybe this is actually a sales pitch for being an officer (program manager really) but after having many discussions with my sailors they didnât plan on how to use their aircrew/ordinance background after getting out. Be shit hot or you can go be mediocre somewhere else. If you're interested in doing government contracts as a civilian where you're pocketing six figures after taxes but you're deployed like 50% of the time, then AW for six years can set you up for that. The training to become a rescue swimmer in the fleet and maintain that qualification is identical regardless of AWS or AWR. WASHINGTON â About 10,000 more sailors are now eligible for a reenlistment bonus as part of the Navyâs effort to retain needed personnel. Shitty advancement. All on the navy's dime. I'm the latter group. With the motto of, "So Others May Live," Aviation Rescue Swimmers exist to help all those in need, in almost every environment. Yes, things are a bit different now. How do I do what you did? You are most likely to be assigned one of those locations upon becoming a Romeo crewman. My squadron has had about a 20% attrition rate in the last few years. You can hit them on their below comments if you have AWR/AWS specific questions. Non-rescue swimmers who are assigned AWS will be assigned to MH-53s. Never wore them in 5 years. It's not been common since we got out of Afghanistan, but who knows when the next little war pops up. Many of my peers are pursuing their degrees and most people who work at it consistently finish at about 6-7 years into their service. NAVY PERSONNEL COMMAND: 5720 Integrity Drive, Millington TN 38055-0000 Address Correspondence to: Attn: PERS-### or BUPERS-### This is an official U.S. Navy Website Need Career, Pay or Personnel help? Wash, Rinse, Repeat forever. I work my ass off and get to be a part of some important stuff. Free Shipping! He kept alternating between P-3C's & shore stations (so seaduty and shore duty). They're also crewmen on E-6s, but I don't know anything about their duties, and I'd imagine it is pretty damn rare. The Naval Aircrewman rating (known as Aviation Warfare Systems Operator or AW prior to 2008) is an enlisted rating of the US Navy. While Boeing etc does need some of that Iâd imagine an AOs life after the navy â¦ Distressed Aircrew T-Shirt $14.99. Rating Aircrewman Acquaint Visits Venue: RNAS Culdrose Dates: 21st - 24th July 15 3-6 Nov 15 The aim of the acquaint visit is to give candidates an insight into the role of Rating Aircrew in the RN. I've been to six continents. Same with the 10-mile run, that's gone. In the P-8, they don't fly with AWVs either so IIRC their nonacoustic AWOs get the ordnance qual. Dry aircrew only: You won't ever ever be on a boat. AWO: I saved best for last. If I was 18 then I would of definitely gave it a shot but doing it now doesn't seem like the right choice cause I don't believe I can give it my all. But planes, jets, helo's have enlisted positions on them. To make it even worse, the USN is replacing mine hunting with RPAs (drones), so some time in the near future, 53 crewmen will be exclusively mailmen. 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